ウクライナ軍ザルジニー総司令官解任 [633746646]
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BREAKING: Ukrainian channels write that the chief of the General Staff Zaluzhny has been removed from his position.
Former deputy Borislav Berezа also stated this.
There is no official confirmation of this information.
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https://www.bbc.com/japanese/67353255 I’m told by Ukrainian govt source that reports of the firing of top general Valery Zaluzhny look to be true. We await confirmation by presidential order - but this appears to be a done deal.
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1752016775430983683
Oliver Carroll
The Economist誌特派員
ロシア、ウクライナ、ベラルーシ担当
https://twitter.com/thejimwatkins もうちょい具体的な話も出てきた
ゼレンスキー側は否定してるが
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/29/7439428/index.amp
One of Ukrainska Pravda’s sources in the National Security and Defence Council said: "He [Zaluzhnyi – ed.] was summoned and offered another position. Perhaps as an ambassador somewhere. He refused. There has been no decree." ちょっと前から噂されてるな
これやったらいよいよ終わりと思うが This evening a rumor spread across Ukraine that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny was removed from his post.
The rumor first appeared in Ukrainian telegram channels, and former MP Borislav Bereza also announced this on his Facebook.
“My sources from the President’s Office reported that Zaluzhny was dismissed from the post of commander in chief! I want the information not to be confirmed. Very much. But this is the second source,” Bereza’s post said.
People's Deputy from Eurosolidarity Alexei Goncharenko put forward his version of Zaluzhny's resignation.
“Zaluzhny was announced about his resignation, but there is no decree yet. He was offered the post of ambassador to one of the European countries. He refused,” Goncharenko wrote in Telegram.
And the editor-in-chief of the website "Censor.net" Yuriy Butusov, who traditionally supported Zaluzhny and criticized Zelensky, said, citing sources, that the president has already signed a decree on his resignation, but has not yet made it public, as "consultations are underway with foreign partners."
Journalist Roman Tsymbalyuk further reported that Zelensky had already appointed Kirill Budanov as commander-in-chief instead of Zaluzhny.
And the Ukrayinska Pravda publication, owned by businessman and media mogul Tomas Fiala, with reference to sources, actually repeated Goncharenko’s version that Zaluzhny was offered the post of ambassador to one of the European countries, but he refused.
Soon after the flow of all this news, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine issued a denial, but did not specify what exactly.
A refutation appeared on the department’s telegram channel.
“Dear journalists, we immediately answer everyone: no, this is not true,” the post said. 総司令の次のポジションって大統領くらいしかなくね？
アンバサダーってなんだよ >>6
アウディーイウカの陥落の責任を押し付ける必要と、
近い将来の強力な政敵の排除
ゼレにとっては一石二鳥だろ ブダノフに軍の統率なんてできんのか？
あいつテロリストみたいな事しかしてないじゃん 後任は嫌儲で孤軍奮闘してるウク信軍師にやってもらえ キエフメディアの否定報道
しかし本当に何の根も葉もない話ならこんな長文の記事にはならんような
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/27339 よう分からんな
こんなすぐバレる嘘つく意味も分からんし
でもすぐバレる嘘をついてきたから本当だとも思える 解任というか「んーこれ無理ぞ」でバックレられてるってパターンあると思うんです >>13
まるで死んだ人間を追悼するかのごとく人となりを書いてるなｗ 解任は既定路線で、
解任に反対してる派閥がリークして、
国民の反発で方針撤回を狙ってるってのは有り得る 前線でやり合うよりテロ攻撃が主体になるからザルよりブダノフがいいってことだろアメカス的には >>22
ザル＝親米派閥
ブダ＝親英派閥
らしいぞ 検証実験だな
実際にザルジニー解任、ブダノフ就任となった時の世論の反応を確認する為にちょろっと情報を流してる このズルズル無駄な反攻を続けてるのは、むしろゼレンスキー大統領が軍を制御出来なくなってるんじゃないかと思ってるけどな
まあもともと軍への指導力なんて無かったかもしれないけど >>27
これまでの主語入れ替わりの法則からすると
「プリコジンの乱でモスクワ崩壊」がウクライナ側で起こるかもな Despite the denial of the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, his media support group continues to urge the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky not to do this, and also not to appoint the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate Kirill Budanov as the new commander-in-chief.
Thus, the chief editor of Censor.net, Yuri Butusov, stated that Budanov is a person who has no experience in commanding a unit larger than a platoon. Also, as Butusov stated, Budanov “extraordinarily ineptly planned and carried out” the landing operations on Zmeiny Island and Energodar.
“Scaling this style of management to the entire active army is categorically unacceptable. Think how many lives such a non-systemic appointment will cost the country,” ウクライナで紛争を起こしたりロシアとの戦争遂行を支援してる連中の顔ぶれから考えるとザルジニーが大統領に据えられる可能性も低いのよね
ゼレンスキーの代わりはいるかもしれないがユダヤ系の人からだろう >>30
ザルジニー自身が大っぴらに旗揚げしなくとも、個別部隊単位で何かしら起こりそうなんよね "The issue is fairness." Zelensky called on men of mobilization age to return to Ukraine
12:20, January 29, 2024
President Vladimir Zelensky again called on men of mobilization age to return to Ukraine. According to him, they are needed not only at the front, but also to support the economy.
He said this in an interview with the German television channel ARD.
“We would like people who left Ukraine illegally to be of mobilization age to be in Ukraine. And the question is not that they should all be at the front - we have a large army. The question is justice.
These people must pay taxes. There are people who left and they didn't return to their jobs and that's their failure. If they are citizens of Ukraine, they must pay taxes, preferably in Ukraine, because we then give this money to our military, who protect us,” Zelensky said. "A large inspection" from the United States from the Ministry of Defense, State Department and USAID arrived in Ukraine
January 29, 2024
Three inspectors general arrived in Ukraine: from the US Department of Defense, the State Department and USAID.
This was announced by American Ambassador Bridget Brink.
“Their meetings with implementers, partners, and the Ukrainian government will help strengthen U.S. oversight and accountability of U.S. assistance to Ukraine,” Brink wrote.
Let us recall that recently, on January 12, US Special Representative Pritzker met with Vladimir Zelensky
The media then wrote that the special representative of the US President, in a conversation with Zelensky, hinted that assistance might stop.
We also wrote that a Pentagon inspector headed a group overseeing the supply of American military aid to Ukraine. プーチン。自分たちは悪くない、欧州諸国のロシア嫌悪国策が原因と妄想！？
原油販売に苦戦、ドローン攻撃も止まず、強硬派政権が周辺国で爆誕！？
https://youtu.be/irR6BKZtK5s?si=RVYJ7Y8n05LQrwHt Of the Leopard-2 tanks transferred to Ukraine, a third have already been knocked out, the rest are not operational - Foreign Affairs
January 29, 2024
Of the less than 100 German Leopard-2 tanks transferred to Ukraine, at least 26 were knocked out, the rest are difficult to use due to problems with repair and maintenance.
The publication writes that during the summer counteroffensive, these tanks “showed good results, but were hardly an invulnerable superweapon.”
“Like all tanks, the survivability of Leopard-2 and Abrams on the battlefield depends on the coordination of the actions of tank forces with infantry, artillery and engineers, and to maintain combat effectiveness, armored vehicles require a developed service infrastructure. Ukraine was unable to provide this in 2023 "
Leopard 2s led the first attacks of the summer with little support, but made little progress.
"More modern tanks (on the battlefield .) could help, but the offensive does not provide sufficient evidence that better tanks would make a difference," Foreign Affairs concludes. ウクライナはロシア本土を本格的に攻撃するつもりかね ゼレンスキーに殺されはしても解任はされないだろう
なんなら、既に殺しちゃったから、解任ってことにするまである Vladimir Zelensky named the size of the Ukrainian army
January 29, 2024
The strength of the Ukrainian army is 880 thousand people.
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky stated this in an interview with the German TV channel ARD.
“We have 880 thousand. We have a million-strong army. And at the same time, we have 30 million people now, now specifically 30 million people are working, and maybe even a little more. I can’t say the exact number,” Zelensky said.
At the same time, the authorities do not know exactly how many people left the country - about 6.5-7.5 million people.
The day before, the American newspaper Politico reported that last year Russian President Vladimir Putin increased the size of the army (including reservists) to 3.3 million people, adding 170 thousand military personnel, of which more than 600 thousand are now fighting in Ukraine.
Earlier, Deputy Head of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev said that in 2023, more than 500 thousand recruits were recruited into the Russian army to participate in the war in Ukraine. On average this works out to more than 40 thousand people per month Zelensky condemned military commissars who grab people on the streets
January 29, 2024
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky spoke out against forced street mobilization.
Zelensky said this in an interview with the German TV channel ARD.
The President answered a journalist’s question about how military commissars in Ukraine are forcibly catching people on the streets and how this restriction of freedom is combined with the protection of the freedom of Ukraine.
“It was wrong when representatives of the military registration and enlistment offices walked the streets and looked for guys who did not come to the military registration and enlistment offices. But here I would like us to be fair and honest with you as well. There are such cases - yes there are. Is this correct - absolutely not. And they shouldn't do this, that's why I asked our military and deputies, when they prepare this bill (on mobilization -ー.), so that there is no chance of walking the streets. Today there are opportunities to use the digital format. That is, we live in a time digitalization, and especially since we are a very digitalized country. We established this process both during Covid and during the war. There is no question of solving this issue in a modern way," Zelensky said. >>34
ザルジニーの部下が暗殺されてるからな
あれ見たらザルジニー派の将校はどう思うか まあ実際あれだけ世界中に宣伝した反転攻勢失敗したんだから解任されてもおかしくないわな
大勢を決めるはずの作戦失敗して誰も責任取らないとかわーくにじゃないんだから 解任してからスタートラインなんだろ
ゼレンスキー失脚のだが ザルジニーはゼレンスキーよりむしろ人気があるって話も
解任したらそれこそクーデターが勃発するかも そろそろ閣僚のみならず、軍部でも粛清の嵐が吹き荒れそうだな >>50
ザルジニー軍とロシア軍が合作してキエフ開放へｗ
>>49
去年から解任の話がちょくちょく出てたんでなあ。何もなく済むと思うのは頭お花畑 Zelensky actually met with Zaluzhny and invited him to resign
09:48
President Vladimir Zelensky actually met with Commander-in-Chief Valery Zaluzhny and invited him to resign.
This was reported by the "Zerkalo Nedeli" with reference to its sources in Zaluzhny's circle.
According to them, Zaluzhny replied that it is the president’s right to choose with whom to work, but he refused to write a resignation letter and does not intend to do so.
At the same time, Valery Zaluzhny was not offered any significant position.
Sources report that the likely resignation of the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be the first link in a series of changes in the high command of the Ukrainian army, as well as in other government bodies.
Previously, we wrote about the background to the rumors about the resignation of Valery Zaluzhny. What do the rumors about Zaluzhny's resignation mean?
▪Zelensky actually informed Zaluzhny about his resignation. The commander-in-chief's fictitious "support group" found out about this and decided to play "preemptively" - to make this information public even before the president signs or publishes the corresponding decree. As an option, there was a preliminary conversation about the very possibility of dismissal, during which the parties did not come to an agreement. In any of these options, the logic of the actions of the commander-in-chief’s supporters is clear - to organize public pressure on Zelensky, perhaps to involve Western partners in order to prevent the implementation of intentions to dismiss Zaluzhny.
▪At the moment, Zelensky has not announced his resignation to Zaluzhny and this information is a fake, the purpose of which is still the same game of “preemption”: to start a rumor with the aim of subsequent refutation by the country’s political leadership with assurances that “there are no plans to fire Zaluzhny, this is a hoax enemies" etc. In theory, this could complicate (or delay) Zaluzhny’s resignation, if it was really being prepared.
One way or another, whether Zelensky intended to fire Zaluzhny the day before or not, at the moment such intentions have been refuted. But this, of course, does not mean that they do not exist; besides, Bankova needs to first probe at least three points:
▪reaction of society and the army;
▪reaction of Western partners;
▪the reaction of Zaluzhny himself (whether after his dismissal he will make public accusations against the president, or he will leave quietly).
It is possible that the sounding on the last point took place just the other day. After which the information was leaked. A kind of hint that there will be no quiet after the dismissal of the commander in chief Meanwhile, People's Deputy Bezuglaya continues to attack Zaluzhny. On her Facebook, she posted two photographs of the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, emphasizing that in the first photo Zaluzhny looks like this “not because of the harsh sun of the trenches (he very rarely gets out of his office, let alone from Kyiv), but because of alcohol ".
“And this is a problem among the generals, by the way. Moreover, the general is blackmailing that if he resigns, he will not remain in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but will resign through the VLK (this is a typical trick, we don’t have healthy people, we have under-examined ones). Well, then blogging, or something else something, “I did it, they didn’t give it to me,” etc.,” noted Bezuglaya.
The people's deputy called the second photo of Zaluzhny "closer to reality": "parquet, Zubanich Shaptala's godfather, insolent look, home clothes instead of a jacket."
“Without commenting on the rumors (about Zaluzhny’s resignation .), I will say that the sooner this happens, the more chances we have to escape from the superficial hell of extermination of people not only by the Russians, but by our own calloused Soviet army. This is a chance for change. A chance for plan 2024,” Bezuglaya emphasized. なかなかちゃんとした情報がでないしこれはどうなってんだろな
他がザルジニーの代わりをできるのか ブルームバーグの記事タイトル
"Hasn’t Fired"なのが全てを物語ってると思うわ
してないしそのつもりもないのならもっと強い表現で否定出来る
Ukraine’s Zelenskiy Hasn’t Fired Army Chief, Spokesman Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-29/ukraine-s-zelenskiy-hasn-t-fired-army-chief-spokesman-says Zaluzhny is not going to leave on his own.
President Volodymyr Zelensky met with the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny to personally discuss the issue of his resignation . The head of state invited the commander-in-chief to write a resignation letter, but did not suggest another significant position that he could occupy.
informed about this by sources in the Office of the President and Zaluzhny’s entourage. We were able to obtain key answers that describe the situation at the moment.
1. Did Vladimir Zelensky meet with Valery Zaluzhny today?
– Yes, I met in person.
2. Did Zelensky offer Zaluzhny to leave the post of head of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
- Yes, there was such a proposal. For his part, Zaluzhny replied that it is the right of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to decide with whom to work
3. Is Zaluzhny writing or planning to write a resignation letter?
- No, I did not write and do not intend to do so (to remove Zaluzhny from his post by presidential decree, the representation of the Minister of Defense Rustem Umerov is necessary .) .
4. Was Zaluzhny made an offer to be appointed to other positions?
“Nothing adequate or significant was offered to Zaluzhny. It was only about the status of an assistant or adviser.
Zaluzhny’s potential resignation, which has not yet been formalized by presidential decree, is only the first link in the chain of personnel changes in the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the country’s political leadership. ザルジニーはゲラシモフ大好きおじさんだそうだからなんとか生き残って本人と対談してほしいなあ
ボトムズのキリコとロッチナみたいな感じらしい ザルジニーがクーデターを起こしても西側諸国の支援はそれほど集まらないというのも彼らは理解してると思うよ
ウクライナもしくは東欧ルーツという物凄く狭い世界の中で推し進められた紛争なので彼らも行きがかり上従うしかない 部屋には盗聴器仕掛けられるは
側近は誕生日に手榴弾で爆死されるは
戦争中に色々カマされてきて解任程度ならお優しい企みだよ >>59
ザルジニーがクーデター起こす≒降伏じゃないですか？ >>49
複数の「ウクライナメディア」が報道してるんだがなｗ
ウクライナメディアが報道してるのに親露扱いかな？ >>64
ウク信「ザルジニー？誰？プーアノン？」
こんなとこかと この総司令官過激な思想の方々と仲良かったりします
https://i.imgur.com/C52uY1w.jpeg
後ろの狼はダヴィンチウォルヴズ、極右の部隊です
バフムート攻防戦にも参加してました
Dmytro Yaroshとの写真
元ウクライナ国会議員で右派セクターの創設者です
https://i.imgur.com/uk9hna5.jpeg みんな様子見してたからな
でもなんか現場でトラブルあったんだろ、というのが大方のところだべ >>66
お前この間ふたばでもロシアのプロパガンダ垂れ流して締め出し食らってなかった？ｗ >>68
ふたばとか使ったことないですよ
ふたばでもということは更に別の場所に私がいることになってるんですか？
妄想が大変なことになってるようですがご自愛くださいね >>69
お前と同じように「ギャオオオオン」って言ってたよｗ >>70
ギャオってんのおまえの方で草w
まぁ第二次大戦敗戦直前の日本も、おまえみたいの現実逃避勢が大挙してたんだろうがw 確定か
あとは後任が誰かってだけ
Zelenskiy set to replace Ukraine's top commander Zaluzhny -FT
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/zelenskiy-set-replace-ukraines-top-152614193.html >>72
そうそうそんな風に「そんなギャオオオンとされても困ります」って感じで
特徴的な丁寧語とワードチョイスで速攻でレス消されてたから笑っちゃったわｗ ロイターやフィナンシャルタイムスも報道 ガチっぽいな
ゼレンスキー大統領、ザルジニー司令官の解任を準備か
Jan 30 (Reuters) - Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy is preparing to replace top commander Valery Zaluzhny in what would be the biggest shake-up of its military brass during Russia's almost two-year-old invasion, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday. ザルジニーは、第21装甲師団に対してドニエプル川西岸沿いに北上し、
海岸線に向けて突破せよと命じた。同師団の主軸である第22戦車連隊の連隊長
オッペルン＝ブロニコフスキー大佐は、彼から直接命令を受領する際にこう言われた。
「オッペルン、君がやつらを黒海に追い落とせなかったら、この戦争は負けだ」。 ゼレは後任にブダノフを立てる計画を準備
かわりに大使かなんかのポスト用意したけどザルは拒否
解任か留任か決断しろと執務室でザルに迫られる
辺りが大方の予想だろう お利口ハンス(クルーゲ元帥)は首だ。後任は火消しのモーデルだ。 あーあ😵
西側がウクライナに送ったレオパルド２型戦車約100両弱のうち
すでにその約3分の１が撃破されたとのこと。
そして残された車両も修復不可能の状態で事実上、ほぼ全てが壊滅したとForeign Affairsが報道
Of the Leopard-2 tanks transferred to Ukraine, a third have already been knocked out, the rest are not operational - Foreign Affairs
January 29, 2024
Of the less than 100 German Leopard-2 tanks transferred to Ukraine, at least 26 were knocked out, the rest are difficult to use due to problems with repair and maintenance. >>78
ドニエプル川北上して海岸線ってどういうことだよｗ レオパルド２がゲームチェンジャーという話は何だったのか・・ 解任前からゼレンスキーは
指揮系統を無視してサルジニーをバイパスして
直接、軍の部隊に命令を下したりしてるとの報道もあったな
もう無茶苦茶 ゼレンスキーが子飼いにしてる一番忠実な将軍はシルスキーだから変えるならブダノフよりシルスキーのがありそう
というかブダノフにするにしても妥協で本当はそっちにしたいだろう
もしザルジニーと戦いになったら動くのはシルスキーとその部隊 odds
1.2 ブダノフ
5.0 ゼレンスキー兼任
100.0 ナザレンコ >>70
誰も彼も同じ人に見えてしまうのはメンタル的によくないのでご自愛ください 腹の底は戦争を続けさせたいだけでレオパルトでなんとかなるとも思ってなかったろう The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, could have “at the last moment” refused the post of commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine instead of Valery Zaluzhny,
the Economist .
“was able to confirm” that on January 29, Vladimir Zelensky held a meeting with Zaluzhny and announced the decision to dismiss him, offering him the position of secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC).
Budanov and the commander of the ground forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel General Alexander Syrsky, were named as possible candidates for the post of commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, while the former has never headed an organization of such a scale.
"Some have suggested that he turned down this position at the last minute. A close colleague insists that General Budanov did not apply for the position of General Zaluzhny, but that he also had no right to refuse a military post," the article says. According to Budanov’s unnamed colleague, such decisions do not depend on him.
On Monday, Ukrainian parliamentarian Alexey Goncharenko*, citing his own sources, said that Zaluzhny was announced about his resignation, but the text of the decree itself is not yet available; it is also reported that he was offered the post of ambassador, which he refused.
Later, Zelensky’s press secretary Sergei Nikiforov, in a comment to the Ukrayinska Pravda publication, denied rumors about Zaluzhny’s possible resignation; according to him, such a decision was definitely not made at Bankova. Zelensky himself, in his evening address to Ukrainians that day, did not mention a word about the previously disseminated information about the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces. 信憑性はまだ高くないが、シルスキー辞退
ブダノフも辞退らしいのでもうゼレンスキー兼任しかない
https://ria.ru/20240131/syrskiy-1924486660.html ゼレンスキー総統の誕生ですな
プロパガンダがお上手な芸人がいつか来た道を歩いてますわね >>82
A4だけでなくA6もおしゃかってことなんかね？ >>87
どのメディアも一次ソースを英FTとして報道してるな
特に英国がザルジニーを継戦のための邪魔者扱いしてるという見方あり
それから例のウクライナ兵捕虜輸送機の撃墜がこの件の一つのきっかけという話も流れてる
あれはウクライナ国内的にも誤魔化しできない話 >>100
動画ではA4もA6も前線に出てくると破壊されてます
>>98 さんが書いた
シルスキー大将、元上級大将でウクライナ陸軍の総司令官
ブダノフは情報総局局長で30代、階級は中将です
ベルゴロド州にロシアから追い出されたネオナチをロシア義勇軍として送り込んだりする黒幕だったりします ブダノフもシルスキーも後任になるのを拒否していて草ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
そりゃそうだ
ザルジニーが解任されるほど壊滅的に追い込まれているのに
ここからどうやって奇跡のコカイン幻想で逆転しろってんだかな
もはや発狂したゼレンスキーから成果を見せろと迫られるだけのクソポジション 捕虜機の撃墜ザル降ろし説あったな
とんでもない権力闘争ですぜ ■ このスレッドは過去ログ倉庫に格納されています
